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My late father tried to teach me 名媛直播 55 years ago when I was 12 but I was too impatient, my suggestion was to cut the branches off with a pair of shears. He was mild mannered but he got very animated at that idea & said only as a last resort. The art of 名媛直播 was to know where to pinch off new growth & how each type of tree will grow, which branches to wire, etc... all of the work done to each tree should be minimal, that was the art. I live in a forest & see the actual trees & I would like to recreate that look, I don't care for the exaggerated style of bends & bumps from branches cut off. Does anyone know of an older book or a person who understands how to do what I want? My dad met a 名媛直播 Master in Okinawa, but that was over 60 years ago. Thank you Dawn.?

I had to think about this for some time. On a finished tree it may be possible to do what you are talking about, but on almost all trees that are being developed branches have to be removed. It is not possible to produce a bonsai otherwise. As the tree grows so it is necessary to prune, sometime branches will die and have to be cut off.?
I doubt there is a book that does not show branches being removed. The art of bonsai is to make the tree look older than it is.?
I think you need to reassess what you want to do and not try to do something that is not done today.

I agree with Geoff. I think this is a case of blurry memories from long time ago. All amazing well tapered trees have once in the time grown sacrificial growth. All species of trees shoot multiple branches in each growth point and we only want one or two in bonsai.

yes, it may be possible to remove that growth points at a very early stage before they are concidered branches. But it is important to understand that the development time into an amazing tree will dramatically increase and possible results is limited to thin trunks without tapering.

Thanks for such a quick response. I'm not sure that I made myself clear, I don't always. You would think that after a lifetime of ADHD, I would be able to be clear but I'm not.?
I think that what I was trying to say was what my father was trying to teach me was to be patient and learn how the tree grows. As we all know, plants grow in predictable ways, such as toward light, and the way of that particular species of tree. Such as a Fir tree grows a certain way, an Elm grows in another way. He wanted me to learn how the tree would grow, how I wanted it to look & how I could make it look that way, but I had to look at it everyday. Check it all the way around and see if there are any branches beginning to sprout & if so, think about how they would grow & if that's what I wanted, if they could be wired, left to grow naturally or they needed to be removed. He was taught that 名媛直播 is a slow, thoughtful art & the approach needs to be considered before it is done. A cut can never be undone & an unsightly "man-made" cut mark will stay on the tree. In nature you never see cut marks, pinching them off at the trunk will not make a cut mark, however you need to be careful about where you pinch, because it does need to look like it's natural growth. Just one more reason why you need to look carefully at your tree every day, like my dad told me when I told him that my tree died. Anyway, I'm sorry that I didn't explain my issue very well and thanks again. Dawn.?

I agree totally with your father on most points. And it can be read about in any bonsai book. One thing he had completely wrong about or have blurred your memory is about cut marks. Firstly we always put them away from the viewer if possible. Secondly, they heal in the exact same way as nature made wounds. By time they can be non visible to the viewer.

I think that what your father teached you was the refinement stage and that the tree he showed you had branches removed far before they got into his hands. What he told you fit perfectly with what you can read in any book about the refinement stage. Most of us start bonsai with trees in the development phase where the initial structure is built. Not letting branches grow and sacrifice tham later inhibit the possibility to create a good structure in the future. And it takes time to even remotelly look like a bonsai.

As an example. A japanese black pine around 40 cm high with balanced thickness ratio and tapering takes 25-35 years to create in ground in Japan. Not utilizing the energy gained in sacrificial branches will prolong that process 2-4 fold. Now you are already far beyond what you can achieve within a life time. Patience will simply not help you. Now add not growing in ground and go for pot growing. You can add 3-5 times on that time. Your father could not even show a bonsai created by hes father, pass it on to you and expect you to get to the refinement stage within a life time. And it will still lack tapering for an unimaginable period of time.?

yes, there are species growing faster than JBP, but it is still an iconic species that every bonsai collector want to work with. It may be possible for you to finalize a maple that was started by your grandfather used the non cut method from seed in a shallow pot. But it will not grow into proportion until your grandchildren gets old.

You can definetely get a tree in the refinement stage and grow it according to the technique you been teached by your father. You can buy any bonsai book and read about it. But I do not know any book about bonsai that excludes how to create a starter material, how to act in initial development. If you don't want to read it, just skip to refinement chapters.
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Hello, Thank you for your reply. I agree that it can take a very long time for a 名媛直播 tree to become a venerable old tree and there are a lot of short cuts that we can take to make a tree look much older much faster. I was in a hurry myself, I have a degree in Anthropology but have studied Nature informally for years so I got a few trees online while I was waiting for my seeds to germinate. The stress of shipping caused my first tree to lose most of its leaves, it was a Fukien Tea because I wanted an indoor tree. I was surprised to see that a few branches had been cut, not up against the trunk but at least 3/4 of an inch out and its not very attractive. Even regaining all of its leaves doesn't adequately hide it, I don't believe that a 名媛直播 tree should be seen from one side and I wonder who came up with that idea. I think that many of these things, cutting with shears or a saw, having a "side" that the tree is seen from, sound a lot like folks are in a hurry. The one to four hundred year old trees are so beautiful and the people who have cared for them down through the years have taken particular care during the time that they had the tree to do it right. I just can't imagine that they would take a pair of shears or a saw to one of them, they are also often on a turntable and I realize that it's used for looking at the tree from all sides by the owner, it's not unknown that a viewer will turn it.?
Anyway, I don't believe that someone who was taught by a man who was taught by a man who was born in the late 1800s, and who is determined to stick to tradition is ever going to change her ways, or that any of you kind folks will throw your shears away, I am learning from this group and am enjoying my time on it. :] ?
Thank you Dawn?

So you want to practice a hobby that has been around for nearly 2000 years and refined in Japan the last 1500 years. But you think you as a beginner can do better than the famous bonsai nurceries in Japan? Nurceries that have passed down the knowledge for generations. Why?? Because you have a blurry memory your father telling you something how many years ago? How many years did he have in the hobby?

Metal cutting tools for bonsai has also been developed and refined in Japan the last 1500 years. How come? Why haven't the fantastic idea of growing trees without them made them unecesary long time ago?

And you buy a mass produced mallsai fukien. Did you expect those trees to be slowly grown? Did you expect a 50 euro tree to be carefully nurtured for 100s of years and have buds removed before they even started to become branches. I am sorry to tell you that is totally disilusional. They must use grow and cut method to produce these trees at the price you pay.

Broadleaf trees is most often first cut a few cm from where we want the final cut to be. It is to give room for natural dieback. We do not want that to happen on the part we want to keep. The dieback is later removed.

All bonsai trees have a front and a back. This is how we develop them for the most beauty. It is one of the first conciderations we do in early. From the front we want to show a beautiful trunk, but in the back we want folige to give the trunk a background. 名媛直播 is always displayed with the front to the viewer. It does not mean we do not have a turntable, we all have them. It does not mean that we do not turn the tree to get sun from all directions, most of us do that. It just means that we display the tree with a front and that is the most beautiful view. All trees have a best perspective. Same as we display the trees on the same hight as the viewers eyes. They look better than looking at them from above. That is why we build bonsai benches and do not put our trees on the ground.

Lets face it. All trees shoot several branches at every single location. Old trees in nature drop the ones less productive and keep the ones most productive. That is why old trees have less branches on each given point than young trees. Not because someone pinched them eary but because they droped that branches. In bonsai we strive to make an image of an old tree. We strive to have no more than two branches at every intersection. But our trees do nat drop them naturally, they are too small and the weight is too low. So we remove them by cutting them off. We do it because we want it to look naturally old. Those branches we cut off was not unnecesary to begin with. They were important for growth an trunk thickening. Just as the branches that 1000 year old full size pine in nature dropped 100s of years ago was not unnecesary.

I am not sure that bonsai is what you strive for. And that is fine, you can grow trees in any way you want. You can keep trees small by pinching the very first signes of branches you dont want, but it will not be a bonsai.? I am not sure you have anything to learn from this forum. Or any other bonsai forum for that matter.

Good luck with your endavours. And by all means, please update us on your progress. I am sure that we all have something to learn from it.

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IF IF IF you want to put the tree in a show or you want to have pictures online you will have to pick a front and go from there. If you want to have a pedestal that you and others walk around you can think more 3D.

A lot of stylistics change over time. My Sunset book, about 1970, says that pots should be dark brown clay, but that cherry and azalea can be in dark blue. In today's world, pots are every color.

In bonsai as in life if you do only what everyone else does you will only do average. If you do something different you may do worse, but you may do better. Good luck.