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Samantha wrote: No, i was thinking by, increasing the smaller branches at the top would thicken the trunk and the roots, so defoliating and trimming would not help this kind of tree.

I see. I don't think that's how it works. You'd let lower branches grow freely, so the trunk below the selected branch thickens.

Defoliating is done to get smaller leaves. That hardly seems necessary for serissa's.

Pruning back to 4 leaves is done to get ramification.

Auk wrote:

Samantha wrote: No, i was thinking by, increasing the smaller branches at the top would thicken the trunk and the roots, so defoliating and trimming would not help this kind of tree.

I see. I don't think that's how it works. You'd let lower branches grow freely, so the trunk below the selected branch thickens.

Defoliating is done to get smaller leaves. That hardly seems necessary for serissa's.

Pruning back to 4 leaves is done to get ramification.

Defoliating also causes more smaller branches, that in turn can be pruned back. I just thought ramification was a good thing. Even for this type of tree.

Samantha wrote: Defoliating also causes more smaller branches, that in turn can be pruned back. I just thought ramification was a good thing. Even for this type of tree.

Of course it is, but it does not:

thicken the trunk and the roots

@ Samantha, here are the pictures, there are some branches woody, not green of the ver old growth, rather thin and even dying off, These are the original branches and some older once.







here what happens with the new growth, they are 2-3 time thicker in growth through constant top clipping ,however if they while lose ? of there diameter when turning into wood. I don't have a detailed picture of the trunks,but if you look at the old pictures, you can see almost an 50% increase in trunk thickness. All trees being always kept in pots. So we can say proven by this pictures, yes there is an increase of branch and trunk thickness.

Indo Andreas wrote: So we can say proven by this pictures, yes there is an increase of branch and trunk thickness.

I don't think the increased trunk thickness is caused by pruning.
Try and prune one tree, and not prune another one at all. You'll see the last one grow a thicker trunk much faster.

I did that, it had not any change, except wild thin large shooting branches, not change on the trunk compare to the others.
Only achievement I got the crown close to the same hight then the others. But pruning the top and keep it close to the same hight, sit improve the thickness of the roots and trunk.

Indo Andreas wrote: I did that, it had not any change

How long did you let it grow?

Over a year around 15 -16 month.

Indo Andreas wrote: Over a year around 15 -16 month.

Maybe you should have left it on longer, until it was thick enough to have an effect.
But of course, you are entitled to your own opinion, even if it conflicts with the general consensus about creating taper.

Noted thank you, the question now would be what is thick enough, I guess that the trees still grow and thicken up in the future.