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Indo Andreas wrote: Noted thank you, the question now would be what is thick enough, I guess that the trees still grow and thicken up in the future.

Well... it is a forest, and in a forest, in my opinion, tapering is less important. Also, serissa's already have a nice bark by themselves, even when they're young. On the photo you recently posted - the pine forest - you can see that even thin trunks can work.

How thick they should be depends on your goal. The trunks should be in balance with the canopy. A bit fatter would be nice, or a bit smaller canopies.

There will be future work done to the all over display. At present, the tree gets a brake from handling, let the moss grow, spray water and add fertilizer and keeping the top low o an even round surface, then when I am satisfied and the tree too, further work will be done. It's raining still daily, growth will change in the dry season, that I am waiting for, because that time my work on spraying will multiply , then I can see how the tree behaves on the slab and what needs or can be done.

Indo Andreas wrote: There will be future work done to the all over display. At present, the tree gets a brake from handling

Good plan. One of the best decisions to take in bonsai is to occasionally give them a break...

Indo Andreas wrote: the question now would be what is thick enough,

If it is a serious question, and to aid those who are wondering how to create good trunks for bonsai, I have written quite a few articles on that in the past.

Thanks for sharing, my question is what is thick enough what the individual person is trying to achieve in his/her own trees, so the opinion will be the personal choice.

Indo Andreas wrote: Thanks for sharing, my question is what is thick enough what the individual person is trying to achieve in his/her own trees, so the opinion will be the personal choice.

Of course, it is a personal choice. However, it is a choice between making a good bonsai, or a stick in a pot (and in case you feel offended again, I am NOT referring to your Serissa's).

To answer your question:

"A typical bonsai will have a ratio of 1:6 to 1:12 between the diameter of the trunk just about the roots to the height of the tree"

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Note it says should, not must. These should be considered guidelines, not rules. There's a big difference between, for example, sumo style trees and literati.

Then lets hope the sticks develop into a good bonsai, one never know, it may be

I don't feel offended, I have a pretty relaxed mind, I see how people try to trigger the way they post their opinions, that's there choice!

Indo Andreas wrote: Thanks for sharing, my question is what is thick enough what the individual person is trying to achieve in his/her own trees, so the opinion will be the personal choice.

Do you actually ever read the things that people post and think about them before countering?

growingbonsai.net wrote: <b>ratio’s</b>
A typical bonsai will have a ratio of 1:6 to 1:12 between the diameter of the trunk just about the roots to the height of the tree. In other words: If you have a trunk diameter of 2cm, you can grow a bonsai of 12 up to 24 cm tall (trunk diamter of 2 cm times 6 = 12cm, 2cm times 12 = 24cm). Of course these measures are not cast in stone. Many trees are taller, and still look good. And there is a specific class of trees which is much thicker, the so-called sumo bonsai. These may have trunk diameter to tree height rations of 1:1.5!. However, in order to create a convincing bonsai, a ratio between 1:6 and 1:12 will help a lot.

So is it a personal choice? Yes. However, if you are beginning bonsai, it is good to keep track of the balance between tree height and trunk diameter. As so often: Learn the basics well, so you can with reason deviate. Considering the number of people who are just starting out on this forum, it is more helpfull for those starting out to explain the actually used rules in bonsai, rather than make everything you do an exception.

leatherback wrote: Do you actually ever read the things that people post and think about them before countering?

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the reply...